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HINDUISM & CASTE
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s***@hotmail.com
2005-11-04 01:52:58 UTC
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There are also many subsets in each caste. Dvija = twice-born
(twice-born = upper 3 castes or sometimes just Brahmin caste
particularly). Some Hindus have a delusion that caste is not promoted
by any of their holy books.

"By his very birth a Brahmin is a deity even for the gods and the only
authority for people in this world, for the Veda is the foundation in
this matter." -- Manusmrti 11:85.

"People here whose behaviour is pleasant can expect to enter a pleasant
womb, like that of a woman of the Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the Vaisya
caste. But people of foul behaviour can expect to enter the foul womb,
like that of a dog, a pig, or an outcaste woman." -- Chandogya Upanisad
5:10:7.

"If a man of one birth (Sudra) hurls cruel words at one of the
twice-born, his tongue should be cut out, for he was born from the
rear-end. If he mentions their name or caste maliciously, a red-hot
iron nail ten-fingers long should be thrust into his mouth. If he is so
proud as to instruct priests about their duty, the king should have hot
oil poured into his mouth and ears." -- Manusmrti 8:270-272.

"If a man of inferior caste tries to sit down on the same seat as a man
of superior caste, he should be branded on the hip and banished, or
have his buttocks cut off." -- Manusmrti 8:281.

"If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors
of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of
them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned
one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even
the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only
the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of
betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the
people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up." --
Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.

"If someone born in a Ksatriya, Vaisya, or Sudra womb should be unable
to pay his fine, he may absolve himself of the debt by labour; a
Brahmin should pay little by little. The king should have women,
children, madmen, and the old, the poor, and the ill chastised with a
whip, a bamboo cane, a rope, and so forth." -- Manusmrti 9:229-230.

"The Sudra's duty and supreme good is nothing but obedience to famous
Brahmin householders who know the Veda. If he is unpolluted, obedient
to his superiors, gentle in his speech, without a sense of 'I', and
always dependent on the Brahmins and the other (twice-born castes), he
attains a superior birth (in the next life)." -- Manusmrti 9:334-335.

"...thereby the Ksatriya, whenever he likes, says, 'Hello Vaisya, just
bring to me what you have stored away!' Thus he both subdues him and
obtains possession of anything he wishes by dint of this very energy."
-- Satapatha Brahmana 1:3:2:15.

"One-fourth of (the punishment for) Brahmin-killing is traditionally
regarded as (the punishment) for the killing of a Ksatriya, one-eighth
for (killing) a Vaisya, and it should be one-sixteenth for (killing) a
Sudra who knows his place." -- Manusmrti 11:127.

"A Brahmin is a great deity whether or not he is learned, just as fire
is a great deity whether or not it is brought to the altar. The
purifying fire with its brilliant energy is not defiled even in
cremation grounds, and when oblations of butter are placed in it at
sacrifices it grows even greater. Thus Brahmins should be revered in
every way, even if they engage in all kinds of undesirable actions, for
this is the supreme deity. If the Ksatriyas become overbearing towards
the Brahmins in any way, the Brahmins themselves should subdue them,
for the Ksatriyas were born from the Brahmins." -- Manusmrti 9:317-320.

"A Ksatriya in adversity may also make a living by all of these
(means); but he should never be so proud as to assume the livelihood of
his betters. If a man of the lowest caste should, through greed, make
his living by the innate activities of his superiors, the king should
confiscate his wealth and banish him immediately. One's own duty,
(even) without any good qualities, is better than someone else's duty
well done; for a man who makes his living by someone else's duty
immediately falls from (his own) caste." -- Manusmrti 10:95-97.

"With whatever limb an inferior insults or hurts his superior in caste,
of that limb the king shall cause him to be deprived. If he places
himself on the same seat with his superior, he shall be banished with a
mark on his buttocks. If he spits on him, he shall lose both lips; If
he breaks wind against him, his hindparts; If he uses abusive language,
his tongue. If a (lowborn) man through pride gives instruction (to a
member of the highest caste) concerning his duty, let the king order
hot oil to be dropped into his mouth. If a (low-born man) mentions the
name or caste of a superior revilingly, an iron pin, ten inches long,
shall be thrust into his mouth (red hot)." -- Visnusmrti 5:19-25.

"His (Purusa's) mouth became the Brahmin; his arms were made into the
Ksatriya, his thighs the Vaisya, and from his feet the Sudra was born."
-- Rig Veda 10:90:12.
Maniyam
2005-11-04 05:29:41 UTC
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As a TRUE HINDU, I reject your version of understanding of the Gita
etc..

These scriptures and epics were written to convey (the messages) of
the METHOD(s) for the AATMAN (individual soul) to be in UNION with the
PARA-ATMAN. (ie GOD). I dare say that the person who does not
understand this inner meaning is WRONG and a NON-HINDU. If he lives by
the the concept of 'scriptures/epics for application on soceity' then
he is doing a great disservice to HINDUISM. LORD KRISHNA says (to
Arjuna) in the GITA - "Understand the Thathva" - (ie philosophy), when
Arjuna has doubts before the war at Kurukshetra. This is the
FUNDAMENTAL philosophy of the GITA and other epics/scriptures. When
one applies these 'stories' to soceity - (sadly this has happened) -
divisions take birth, the TRUTH is covered up, and the selfish ones
(cheaters) thrive in the material world by degrading fellow humans.
Well they will not escape! These so-called 'caste makers' and those
who think that they are of 'higher birth', will have to come back to
LEARN!

Just for starters, the four divisions in the GITA (Brahmana,
Kshatriya, Vaishya and Sutra) are to be applied to the MIND (which you
'think' is you!) to realize the SOUL, as TEACH the MIND, PROTECT the
MIND, FEED the MIND and CLEAN the MIND. This will lead you to the next
step to REALIZE the SOUL. From there, you (the SOUL now!) learn to
COMMUNICATE with the PARAMAATMAN. The final stage is when you become
ONE with the PARAMAATMAN.

DO NOT classify anyone by their BIRTH or their JOB, STATUS etc.. ALL
SOULS are the same - they are from the SAME source.
If you do, then (sadly), you are living in the DARK! - Come out of it
!

Persons like Manusmrti had done their write ups on a biased manner -
in favour of their family/soceity. DO NOT take their words seriously.
ONLY the SUPREME can tell you the TRUTH!

Best wishes!

OM SARAVANABAVAYA NAMAHA !

http://www.kaumaram.com
Maniyam (webmaster)

On 3 Nov 2005 17:52:58 -0800,
Post by s***@hotmail.com
There are also many subsets in each caste. Dvija = twice-born
(twice-born = upper 3 castes or sometimes just Brahmin caste
particularly). Some Hindus have a delusion that caste is not promoted
by any of their holy books.
"By his very birth a Brahmin is a deity even for the gods and the only
authority for people in this world, for the Veda is the foundation in
this matter." -- Manusmrti 11:85.
"People here whose behaviour is pleasant can expect to enter a pleasant
womb, like that of a woman of the Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the Vaisya
caste. But people of foul behaviour can expect to enter the foul womb,
like that of a dog, a pig, or an outcaste woman." -- Chandogya Upanisad
5:10:7.
"If a man of one birth (Sudra) hurls cruel words at one of the
twice-born, his tongue should be cut out, for he was born from the
rear-end. If he mentions their name or caste maliciously, a red-hot
iron nail ten-fingers long should be thrust into his mouth. If he is so
proud as to instruct priests about their duty, the king should have hot
oil poured into his mouth and ears." -- Manusmrti 8:270-272.
"If a man of inferior caste tries to sit down on the same seat as a man
of superior caste, he should be branded on the hip and banished, or
have his buttocks cut off." -- Manusmrti 8:281.
"If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors
of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of
them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned
one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even
the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only
the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of
betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the
people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up." --
Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.
"If someone born in a Ksatriya, Vaisya, or Sudra womb should be unable
to pay his fine, he may absolve himself of the debt by labour; a
Brahmin should pay little by little. The king should have women,
children, madmen, and the old, the poor, and the ill chastised with a
whip, a bamboo cane, a rope, and so forth." -- Manusmrti 9:229-230.
"The Sudra's duty and supreme good is nothing but obedience to famous
Brahmin householders who know the Veda. If he is unpolluted, obedient
to his superiors, gentle in his speech, without a sense of 'I', and
always dependent on the Brahmins and the other (twice-born castes), he
attains a superior birth (in the next life)." -- Manusmrti 9:334-335.
"...thereby the Ksatriya, whenever he likes, says, 'Hello Vaisya, just
bring to me what you have stored away!' Thus he both subdues him and
obtains possession of anything he wishes by dint of this very energy."
-- Satapatha Brahmana 1:3:2:15.
"One-fourth of (the punishment for) Brahmin-killing is traditionally
regarded as (the punishment) for the killing of a Ksatriya, one-eighth
for (killing) a Vaisya, and it should be one-sixteenth for (killing) a
Sudra who knows his place." -- Manusmrti 11:127.
"A Brahmin is a great deity whether or not he is learned, just as fire
is a great deity whether or not it is brought to the altar. The
purifying fire with its brilliant energy is not defiled even in
cremation grounds, and when oblations of butter are placed in it at
sacrifices it grows even greater. Thus Brahmins should be revered in
every way, even if they engage in all kinds of undesirable actions, for
this is the supreme deity. If the Ksatriyas become overbearing towards
the Brahmins in any way, the Brahmins themselves should subdue them,
for the Ksatriyas were born from the Brahmins." -- Manusmrti 9:317-320.
"A Ksatriya in adversity may also make a living by all of these
(means); but he should never be so proud as to assume the livelihood of
his betters. If a man of the lowest caste should, through greed, make
his living by the innate activities of his superiors, the king should
confiscate his wealth and banish him immediately. One's own duty,
(even) without any good qualities, is better than someone else's duty
well done; for a man who makes his living by someone else's duty
immediately falls from (his own) caste." -- Manusmrti 10:95-97.
"With whatever limb an inferior insults or hurts his superior in caste,
of that limb the king shall cause him to be deprived. If he places
himself on the same seat with his superior, he shall be banished with a
mark on his buttocks. If he spits on him, he shall lose both lips; If
he breaks wind against him, his hindparts; If he uses abusive language,
his tongue. If a (lowborn) man through pride gives instruction (to a
member of the highest caste) concerning his duty, let the king order
hot oil to be dropped into his mouth. If a (low-born man) mentions the
name or caste of a superior revilingly, an iron pin, ten inches long,
shall be thrust into his mouth (red hot)." -- Visnusmrti 5:19-25.
"His (Purusa's) mouth became the Brahmin; his arms were made into the
Ksatriya, his thighs the Vaisya, and from his feet the Sudra was born."
-- Rig Veda 10:90:12.
South Indian
2005-11-04 11:32:23 UTC
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Maniyam, ignore this Paki pig. Seems you are new to all this. He is
doing cut&paste from some cheap websites.

We will take care of him.
k***@gmail.com
2005-11-05 11:36:45 UTC
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Post by Maniyam
As a TRUE HINDU, I reject your version of understanding of the Gita
etc..
These scriptures and epics were written to convey (the messages) of
the METHOD(s) for the AATMAN (individual soul) to be in UNION with the
PARA-ATMAN. (ie GOD). I dare say that the person who does not
understand this inner meaning is WRONG and a NON-HINDU. If he lives by
the the concept of 'scriptures/epics for application on soceity' then
he is doing a great disservice to HINDUISM. LORD KRISHNA says (to
Arjuna) in the GITA - "Understand the Thathva" - (ie philosophy), when
Arjuna has doubts before the war at Kurukshetra. This is the
FUNDAMENTAL philosophy of the GITA and other epics/scriptures. When
one applies these 'stories' to soceity - (sadly this has happened) -
divisions take birth, the TRUTH is covered up, and the selfish ones
(cheaters) thrive in the material world by degrading fellow humans.
Well they will not escape! These so-called 'caste makers' and those
who think that they are of 'higher birth', will have to come back to
LEARN!
Just for starters, the four divisions in the GITA (Brahmana,
Kshatriya, Vaishya and Sutra) are to be applied to the MIND (which you
'think' is you!) to realize the SOUL, as TEACH the MIND, PROTECT the
MIND, FEED the MIND and CLEAN the MIND. This will lead you to the next
step to REALIZE the SOUL. From there, you (the SOUL now!) learn to
COMMUNICATE with the PARAMAATMAN. The final stage is when you become
ONE with the PARAMAATMAN.
DO NOT classify anyone by their BIRTH or their JOB, STATUS etc.. ALL
SOULS are the same - they are from the SAME source.
If you do, then (sadly), you are living in the DARK! - Come out of it
!
Persons like Manusmrti had done their write ups on a biased manner -
in favour of their family/soceity. DO NOT take their words seriously.
ONLY the SUPREME can tell you the TRUTH!
Best wishes!
OM SARAVANABAVAYA NAMAHA !
http://www.kaumaram.com
Maniyam (webmaster)
yar maniyan,i sure admire you ablity to tell bravely what you want,so
simply effectively,clearly and cogently...in a way that is frank as
well thought provoking,your ablity to do something calmly like this is
great,where even a arsewipe paper muching mule is able to follow you
correctly,without braying hee haw,hee haw,by force of habit...great
stuff.
Post by Maniyam
On 3 Nov 2005 17:52:58 -0800,
Post by s***@hotmail.com
There are also many subsets in each caste. Dvija = twice-born
(twice-born = upper 3 castes or sometimes just Brahmin caste
particularly). Some Hindus have a delusion that caste is not promoted
by any of their holy books.
"By his very birth a Brahmin is a deity even for the gods and the only
authority for people in this world, for the Veda is the foundation in
this matter." -- Manusmrti 11:85.
"People here whose behaviour is pleasant can expect to enter a pleasant
womb, like that of a woman of the Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the Vaisya
caste. But people of foul behaviour can expect to enter the foul womb,
like that of a dog, a pig, or an outcaste woman." -- Chandogya Upanisad
5:10:7.
"If a man of one birth (Sudra) hurls cruel words at one of the
twice-born, his tongue should be cut out, for he was born from the
rear-end. If he mentions their name or caste maliciously, a red-hot
iron nail ten-fingers long should be thrust into his mouth. If he is so
proud as to instruct priests about their duty, the king should have hot
oil poured into his mouth and ears." -- Manusmrti 8:270-272.
"If a man of inferior caste tries to sit down on the same seat as a man
of superior caste, he should be branded on the hip and banished, or
have his buttocks cut off." -- Manusmrti 8:281.
"If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors
of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of
them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned
one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even
the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only
the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of
betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the
people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up." --
Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.
"If someone born in a Ksatriya, Vaisya, or Sudra womb should be unable
to pay his fine, he may absolve himself of the debt by labour; a
Brahmin should pay little by little. The king should have women,
children, madmen, and the old, the poor, and the ill chastised with a
whip, a bamboo cane, a rope, and so forth." -- Manusmrti 9:229-230.
"The Sudra's duty and supreme good is nothing but obedience to famous
Brahmin householders who know the Veda. If he is unpolluted, obedient
to his superiors, gentle in his speech, without a sense of 'I', and
always dependent on the Brahmins and the other (twice-born castes), he
attains a superior birth (in the next life)." -- Manusmrti 9:334-335.
"...thereby the Ksatriya, whenever he likes, says, 'Hello Vaisya, just
bring to me what you have stored away!' Thus he both subdues him and
obtains possession of anything he wishes by dint of this very energy."
-- Satapatha Brahmana 1:3:2:15.
"One-fourth of (the punishment for) Brahmin-killing is traditionally
regarded as (the punishment) for the killing of a Ksatriya, one-eighth
for (killing) a Vaisya, and it should be one-sixteenth for (killing) a
Sudra who knows his place." -- Manusmrti 11:127.
"A Brahmin is a great deity whether or not he is learned, just as fire
is a great deity whether or not it is brought to the altar. The
purifying fire with its brilliant energy is not defiled even in
cremation grounds, and when oblations of butter are placed in it at
sacrifices it grows even greater. Thus Brahmins should be revered in
every way, even if they engage in all kinds of undesirable actions, for
this is the supreme deity. If the Ksatriyas become overbearing towards
the Brahmins in any way, the Brahmins themselves should subdue them,
for the Ksatriyas were born from the Brahmins." -- Manusmrti 9:317-320.
"A Ksatriya in adversity may also make a living by all of these
(means); but he should never be so proud as to assume the livelihood of
his betters. If a man of the lowest caste should, through greed, make
his living by the innate activities of his superiors, the king should
confiscate his wealth and banish him immediately. One's own duty,
(even) without any good qualities, is better than someone else's duty
well done; for a man who makes his living by someone else's duty
immediately falls from (his own) caste." -- Manusmrti 10:95-97.
"With whatever limb an inferior insults or hurts his superior in caste,
of that limb the king shall cause him to be deprived. If he places
himself on the same seat with his superior, he shall be banished with a
mark on his buttocks. If he spits on him, he shall lose both lips; If
he breaks wind against him, his hindparts; If he uses abusive language,
his tongue. If a (lowborn) man through pride gives instruction (to a
member of the highest caste) concerning his duty, let the king order
hot oil to be dropped into his mouth. If a (low-born man) mentions the
name or caste of a superior revilingly, an iron pin, ten inches long,
shall be thrust into his mouth (red hot)." -- Visnusmrti 5:19-25.
"His (Purusa's) mouth became the Brahmin; his arms were made into the
Ksatriya, his thighs the Vaisya, and from his feet the Sudra was born."
-- Rig Veda 10:90:12.
Torpedo
2005-11-04 09:34:28 UTC
Permalink
...Islamic understanding is: GANDUISM (Stupidity) & CASTRATION (Genital
mutilation).
Post by s***@hotmail.com
There are also many subsets in each caste. Dvija = twice-born
(twice-born = upper 3 castes or sometimes just Brahmin caste
particularly). Some Hindus have a delusion that caste is not promoted
by any of their holy books.
"By his very birth a Brahmin is a deity even for the gods and the only
authority for people in this world, for the Veda is the foundation in
this matter." -- Manusmrti 11:85.
"People here whose behaviour is pleasant can expect to enter a pleasant
womb, like that of a woman of the Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the Vaisya
caste. But people of foul behaviour can expect to enter the foul womb,
like that of a dog, a pig, or an outcaste woman." -- Chandogya Upanisad
5:10:7.
"If a man of one birth (Sudra) hurls cruel words at one of the
twice-born, his tongue should be cut out, for he was born from the
rear-end. If he mentions their name or caste maliciously, a red-hot
iron nail ten-fingers long should be thrust into his mouth. If he is so
proud as to instruct priests about their duty, the king should have hot
oil poured into his mouth and ears." -- Manusmrti 8:270-272.
"If a man of inferior caste tries to sit down on the same seat as a man
of superior caste, he should be branded on the hip and banished, or
have his buttocks cut off." -- Manusmrti 8:281.
"If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors
of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of
them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned
one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even
the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only
the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of
betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the
people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up." --
Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.
"If someone born in a Ksatriya, Vaisya, or Sudra womb should be unable
to pay his fine, he may absolve himself of the debt by labour; a
Brahmin should pay little by little. The king should have women,
children, madmen, and the old, the poor, and the ill chastised with a
whip, a bamboo cane, a rope, and so forth." -- Manusmrti 9:229-230.
"The Sudra's duty and supreme good is nothing but obedience to famous
Brahmin householders who know the Veda. If he is unpolluted, obedient
to his superiors, gentle in his speech, without a sense of 'I', and
always dependent on the Brahmins and the other (twice-born castes), he
attains a superior birth (in the next life)." -- Manusmrti 9:334-335.
"...thereby the Ksatriya, whenever he likes, says, 'Hello Vaisya, just
bring to me what you have stored away!' Thus he both subdues him and
obtains possession of anything he wishes by dint of this very energy."
-- Satapatha Brahmana 1:3:2:15.
"One-fourth of (the punishment for) Brahmin-killing is traditionally
regarded as (the punishment) for the killing of a Ksatriya, one-eighth
for (killing) a Vaisya, and it should be one-sixteenth for (killing) a
Sudra who knows his place." -- Manusmrti 11:127.
"A Brahmin is a great deity whether or not he is learned, just as fire
is a great deity whether or not it is brought to the altar. The
purifying fire with its brilliant energy is not defiled even in
cremation grounds, and when oblations of butter are placed in it at
sacrifices it grows even greater. Thus Brahmins should be revered in
every way, even if they engage in all kinds of undesirable actions, for
this is the supreme deity. If the Ksatriyas become overbearing towards
the Brahmins in any way, the Brahmins themselves should subdue them,
for the Ksatriyas were born from the Brahmins." -- Manusmrti 9:317-320.
"A Ksatriya in adversity may also make a living by all of these
(means); but he should never be so proud as to assume the livelihood of
his betters. If a man of the lowest caste should, through greed, make
his living by the innate activities of his superiors, the king should
confiscate his wealth and banish him immediately. One's own duty,
(even) without any good qualities, is better than someone else's duty
well done; for a man who makes his living by someone else's duty
immediately falls from (his own) caste." -- Manusmrti 10:95-97.
"With whatever limb an inferior insults or hurts his superior in caste,
of that limb the king shall cause him to be deprived. If he places
himself on the same seat with his superior, he shall be banished with a
mark on his buttocks. If he spits on him, he shall lose both lips; If
he breaks wind against him, his hindparts; If he uses abusive language,
his tongue. If a (lowborn) man through pride gives instruction (to a
member of the highest caste) concerning his duty, let the king order
hot oil to be dropped into his mouth. If a (low-born man) mentions the
name or caste of a superior revilingly, an iron pin, ten inches long,
shall be thrust into his mouth (red hot)." -- Visnusmrti 5:19-25.
"His (Purusa's) mouth became the Brahmin; his arms were made into the
Ksatriya, his thighs the Vaisya, and from his feet the Sudra was born."
-- Rig Veda 10:90:12.
Morar
2005-11-04 19:21:55 UTC
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Pedoprofart cult is rampant with paedophile and slave orgies, violence,
and mass genocide and with tons of irrational medieval ranting thrown
in good measure.

In order to provide this barbaric medieval cult of death some semblance
of of being religion and divert attention away from pedoprofart and
Q'ranic rantings, SFDasslifter have to constantly write about
criminal events that are sadly part and parcel of all civilised
societies. Interestingly, such crimes as violence against infidels,
paedophilia, rape and other abuses of women and many other crimes are
part and parcel of pedoprofart's religion.
Post by Torpedo
...Islamic understanding is: GANDUISM (Stupidity) & CASTRATION (Genital
mutilation).
Post by s***@hotmail.com
There are also many subsets in each caste. Dvija = twice-born
(twice-born = upper 3 castes or sometimes just Brahmin caste
particularly). Some Hindus have a delusion that caste is not promoted
by any of their holy books.
"By his very birth a Brahmin is a deity even for the gods and the only
authority for people in this world, for the Veda is the foundation in
this matter." -- Manusmrti 11:85.
"People here whose behaviour is pleasant can expect to enter a pleasant
womb, like that of a woman of the Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the Vaisya
caste. But people of foul behaviour can expect to enter the foul womb,
like that of a dog, a pig, or an outcaste woman." -- Chandogya Upanisad
5:10:7.
"If a man of one birth (Sudra) hurls cruel words at one of the
twice-born, his tongue should be cut out, for he was born from the
rear-end. If he mentions their name or caste maliciously, a red-hot
iron nail ten-fingers long should be thrust into his mouth. If he is so
proud as to instruct priests about their duty, the king should have hot
oil poured into his mouth and ears." -- Manusmrti 8:270-272.
"If a man of inferior caste tries to sit down on the same seat as a man
of superior caste, he should be branded on the hip and banished, or
have his buttocks cut off." -- Manusmrti 8:281.
"If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors
of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of
them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned
one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even
the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only
the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of
betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the
people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up." --
Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.
"If someone born in a Ksatriya, Vaisya, or Sudra womb should be unable
to pay his fine, he may absolve himself of the debt by labour; a
Brahmin should pay little by little. The king should have women,
children, madmen, and the old, the poor, and the ill chastised with a
whip, a bamboo cane, a rope, and so forth." -- Manusmrti 9:229-230.
"The Sudra's duty and supreme good is nothing but obedience to famous
Brahmin householders who know the Veda. If he is unpolluted, obedient
to his superiors, gentle in his speech, without a sense of 'I', and
always dependent on the Brahmins and the other (twice-born castes), he
attains a superior birth (in the next life)." -- Manusmrti 9:334-335.
"...thereby the Ksatriya, whenever he likes, says, 'Hello Vaisya, just
bring to me what you have stored away!' Thus he both subdues him and
obtains possession of anything he wishes by dint of this very energy."
-- Satapatha Brahmana 1:3:2:15.
"One-fourth of (the punishment for) Brahmin-killing is traditionally
regarded as (the punishment) for the killing of a Ksatriya, one-eighth
for (killing) a Vaisya, and it should be one-sixteenth for (killing) a
Sudra who knows his place." -- Manusmrti 11:127.
"A Brahmin is a great deity whether or not he is learned, just as fire
is a great deity whether or not it is brought to the altar. The
purifying fire with its brilliant energy is not defiled even in
cremation grounds, and when oblations of butter are placed in it at
sacrifices it grows even greater. Thus Brahmins should be revered in
every way, even if they engage in all kinds of undesirable actions, for
this is the supreme deity. If the Ksatriyas become overbearing towards
the Brahmins in any way, the Brahmins themselves should subdue them,
for the Ksatriyas were born from the Brahmins." -- Manusmrti 9:317-320.
"A Ksatriya in adversity may also make a living by all of these
(means); but he should never be so proud as to assume the livelihood of
his betters. If a man of the lowest caste should, through greed, make
his living by the innate activities of his superiors, the king should
confiscate his wealth and banish him immediately. One's own duty,
(even) without any good qualities, is better than someone else's duty
well done; for a man who makes his living by someone else's duty
immediately falls from (his own) caste." -- Manusmrti 10:95-97.
"With whatever limb an inferior insults or hurts his superior in caste,
of that limb the king shall cause him to be deprived. If he places
himself on the same seat with his superior, he shall be banished with a
mark on his buttocks. If he spits on him, he shall lose both lips; If
he breaks wind against him, his hindparts; If he uses abusive language,
his tongue. If a (lowborn) man through pride gives instruction (to a
member of the highest caste) concerning his duty, let the king order
hot oil to be dropped into his mouth. If a (low-born man) mentions the
name or caste of a superior revilingly, an iron pin, ten inches long,
shall be thrust into his mouth (red hot)." -- Visnusmrti 5:19-25.
"His (Purusa's) mouth became the Brahmin; his arms were made into the
Ksatriya, his thighs the Vaisya, and from his feet the Sudra was born."
-- Rig Veda 10:90:12.
striped_mule
2005-11-05 05:23:10 UTC
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Morar.

I know how to bitchslap you. No matter what you say, you can never
defend the action of your fellow hindus. All the moral crap you churn
out agianst the muslims is meaningless when you have social problems of
such magnitudes in India. Advice to you is to keep your patni and
daughters home. You dont want to find out what your fellow hindus are
capable of.

Statistics from 2000 showed that on average a woman is raped every hour
in India.

Extract from:
http://www.indianchild.com/sexual_harassment_india.htm


According to the official statistics of 1991, one woman is molested
every 26 minutes.

Extract from:
"Sexual Harassment and Rape Laws in India"
http://www.legalserviceindia.com/articles/rape_laws.htm
k***@gmail.com
2005-11-05 11:27:57 UTC
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Morar.
I know how to bitchslap you. No matter what you say, you can never
defend the action of your fellow hindus. All the moral crap you churn
out agianst the muslims is meaningless when you have social problems of
such magnitudes in India. Advice to you is to keep your patni and
daughters home. You dont want to find out what your fellow hindus are
capable of.
easy bud easy,you look and act like a caged chimp,longing for
freedom....you cannot bitchslap anything,least of another
indian.....you giving advice hahahahaha chall chall,machod ghandoo ke
aaulad....no one will listen to a halfhindu paki son of raped
devdasi...........abbey chaprasi kanjar randi ke najaish aaulad,...why
dont you go and ask baby noor,who was in india for a heart surgery,if
she bought blood from pakistan and a few hundred paki children,from
where they are getting blood in indian hospitals....why do you allow me
to fuck you like this each and every time....its becoming a force of
habit for me to ram your paki phudda nonchalently,without even batting
a eye lid.
Post by striped_mule
Statistics from 2000 showed that on average a woman is raped every hour
in India.
http://www.indianchild.com/sexual_harassment_india.htm
According to the official statistics of 1991, one woman is molested
every 26 minutes.
"Sexual Harassment and Rape Laws in India"
http://www.legalserviceindia.com/articles/rape_laws.htm
striped_mule
2005-11-05 16:18:45 UTC
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no one will listen to a halfhindu paki son of raped
You use the word hindu like an expletive. A dirty word. Is that what it
is? In the same category as "mongrel cunt" or "bastard"?

Is "hindu" to be used as an expletive?
Post by k***@gmail.com
why do you allow me to fuck you like this each and every time
Dream on chamar, sulla havaldar or devdasi ke aulad. Half-hindu is what
you are courtesy of the arab invaders. But no prizes for guessing what
your mother raised you as. Another chamar when you could have broken
free of those caste bariers that have held you back all your life. A
kala tamil like you has no future (unless your matajee has an increase
in business after a complete body makeover and plastic surgery).
Post by k***@gmail.com
batting a eye lid.
You can keep at not batting "A eyelid". Talk to your sulla huvaldar
pitajee and ask him to get you an appointment with some other chamar
who fixes your matajee's yoni after she boinks a "musla"

And oh, your GREAT LAKES BUSINESS SCHOOL education really is great!

Cheers.
c***@gmail.com
2005-11-05 12:27:11 UTC
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Dear Morar,

Sin is always the choice of an individual and not a group
(organisation, religion, party etc). In the strength and power of God's
Holy Spirit no man will harm another wilfully. Just as in the strength
of God's Holy Spirit all men can be forgiving of one another.

We all fall short of God's greater glory, every single last one of us.
'If men' have made a cast system in this world, then all that is sinful
makes those men fall further from God and those who are considered the
lowest of the low by others come nearest.

How fortunate is the man who has neither money, material nor status to
come before him and The Lord. But how poor is the man who empties
himself of all these things in order that he does not serve others, but
himself.

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, For they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, For they
shall be filled.

Blessed are the merciful, For they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, For they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, For
theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
"Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds
of evil against you falsely for My sake.
-NKJ Matthew 5:3-11

Whether a man be Muslim, Hindu, Christian or any other, God knows his
true heart, mind and soul. Remember, that it was The Jews themselves
that Jesus taught 'firstly' that religion itself can come before a man
and His Lord and take on the nature of the veil we hold before Him.

If you hold the deeds of another man's religion in contempt, then you
are holding up the veil before your own Lord, as God already know that
all men have their sins.

I know it can be hard and very much a challenge at times, but; love
your Lord God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and love
your neighbours as yourself. Want for them what The Lord wants for you,
pray that it is not destruction, but pure love and an avenue to realise
that pure love in your life.


In Christ's love
Carol T
r***@yahoo.com
2005-11-06 17:08:16 UTC
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Sin is always the choice of an individual and not a group
(organisation, religion, party etc). In the strength and power of God's
Holy Spirit no man will harm another wilfully.
When Moses asked his people to commit genocide*, was it sin? Was the
sin the choice of a single individual, Moses? Didn't many other
individuals make a choice too - to follow Moses' instructions? When
Moses' people followed his instructions and committed genocide, were
they harming others wilfully or unwilfully?

* The account in Numbers describes the genocidal annihilation of the
Midianites and the complete destruction of their country: "They warred
against Midian, as YAHWEH commanded Moses, and killed every male.
http://www.awitness.org/contrabib/torah/balaam.html
Post by c***@gmail.com
'If men' have made a cast system in this world, then all that is sinful
makes those men fall further from God and those who are considered the
lowest of the low by others come nearest.
If Phansigars (stranglers) are considered the lowest of the low, would
they come nearest to God?
c***@gmail.com
2005-11-10 15:45:20 UTC
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Dear Ranjit,

Was Moses Jesus, or was he simply the prophet who brought God's people
out of Egypt?

Do we measure standards of Christ by mere men? If so, then would we
ever find a man who has not sinned, except Jesus Himself?

In Christ's love
Carol T
r***@yahoo.com
2005-11-10 21:57:21 UTC
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Dear Ranjit,
Was Moses Jesus, or was he simply the prophet who brought God's people
out of Egypt?
Neither. He wasn't Jesus and there are no God's people.
Post by c***@gmail.com
Do we measure standards of Christ by mere men? If so, then would we
ever find a man who has not sinned,
Why not? Wouldn't we find men who have not committed felonies?
Post by c***@gmail.com
except Jesus Himself?
Why not "including Jesus"?
Post by c***@gmail.com
In Christ's love
Carol T
c***@gmail.com
2005-11-12 10:59:05 UTC
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Do we measure standards of Christ by mere men? If so, then would we ever find a man who has not sinned, <<<<<<<<<
Why not? Wouldn't we find men who have not committed felonies? <<<<<<<<<<<
Dear Ranjit,

Does Jesus measure and judge the sins of another, or is it man who does
this? Where does this word 'felony' come from, is it not from our
judgement on others? What of the thoughts, words, deeds not immediately
measured by the laws of men, which consequently sin against man and
God? Do you think that they are unnoticed?

Even in spreading love amongst his children a seemingly perfect man can
inadvertently sin against one of them and The Lord God. In sharing love
he may cause one of them to measure the love their receive against the
love measured out to another child. Thus leaving a child with an
unresolved sense of injustice and the impact such a bitterness causes
on the rest of the world. Better that a man's child knows that God's
love for him is perfect and equal to all his other children, and that
his own biological father receives God's perfect love.

In Christ's love
Carol T
Komin
2005-11-12 11:12:44 UTC
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one question for Hindu experts here .

Can a Dalit be a governor of a province in India ?

Can a Dalit be the president of India ?
r***@yahoo.com
2005-11-12 19:54:25 UTC
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Post by Komin
one question for Hindu experts here .
Wouldn't it be "Constitutional law experts"?
Post by Komin
Can a Dalit be a governor of a province in India ?
Why not? "Babu Parmanand will be sworn in as the Governor of Haryana
next Monday at 1 p.m, official sources said. The new Governor will be
the third Dalit Governor of the state after Mr Dhanik Lal Mandal and Mr
Mahabir Prasad."
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/20000617/spotlite.htm
Post by Komin
Can a Dalit be the president of India ?
Why not? KR Narayanan was President.

Can a Dalit be a governor of a Pakistani province or President of
Pakistan?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dalits+pakistan&btnG=Google+Search
Panzer
2005-11-05 13:25:47 UTC
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Post by Torpedo
...Islamic understanding is: GANDUISM (Stupidity) & CASTRATION (Genital
mutilation).
LOL!!!!!
striped_mule
2005-11-05 16:07:56 UTC
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Panzer!

You're lucky to be alive. Lots of girls dont make it past the first
year in India. Its called female infanticide. Look it up on google and
you'll be pleasantly surprised at the deeds of your fellow hindus.
Buckets, wells and shallow graves is where girls can end up.

LOL!!!!!!
Panzer
2005-11-06 16:48:45 UTC
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Panzer!
You're lucky to be alive. Lots of girls dont make it past the first
year in India. Its called female infanticide. Look it up on google and
you'll be pleasantly surprised at the deeds of your fellow hindus.
Buckets, wells and shallow graves is where girls can end up.
I dont think female infanticide only happens in India, it happens all
over the sub continent even in ur goody-goody pakistan. But the only
difference here is that we are allowed to report it rather than hush it
up like u guys.
h***@hotmail.com
2005-11-07 08:59:19 UTC
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allowed to report it rather than hush it up like u guys
Hahahahahaha. Do the rapes every hour also get reported in India? Do
the molestation (1 every 26 minutes in India) also get reported? I dont
think so. Do the dowry deaths also result in proceedings against "saas"
in goody-goody India or is it swept under the rug?
Panzer
2005-11-07 15:08:37 UTC
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Hahahahahaha. Do the rapes every hour also get reported in India? Do
the molestation (1 every 26 minutes in India) also get reported? I dont
think so.
See this is the chamar brain of yours speaking, these are just
statistics you are quoting that way a crime takes place every 30 secs
in New york ,a person dies every minute in J&k, so going by my
calculations terrorism started 10 yrs back that means 10*365=3650 days,
24hrs in a day 24*3650= 87600 hrs, 60 mins in a hr , 87600*60=5,256,000
deaths in j&k alone. beta u have extremely low IQ, go to a school for
retards learn some other skill.

Do the dowry deaths also result in proceedings against "saas"
in goody-goody India or is it swept under the rug?
Unlike your country we have free press in here, and it is everyday in
the papers and it is against the law. Unlike porkistan where women are
gang raped jst because their brothers had a fling with shia or a
muhajir girl.
striped_mule
2005-11-08 02:51:04 UTC
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Hahahaha. Pinched your ass with that post didn't I? You want links to
reports stating that only 25-30% of the crimes against women are ever
reported in India? In Pakistan. the rapes, even in small, rural
hickville get reported and women from those hick places come forward
with the crimes committed against them. Dont see that happeining in
India. I remember the case of phoolan devi, an ugly "ho" bitch who was
gang raped and actually chose to stand up and kill the members of the
higher castes who approved her gang rape and those who did the
"knobbing".

Things are so bad in mahabharat!
terrorism started 10 yrs back that means 10*365=3650 days, 24hrs in a day 24*3650= >87600 hrs, 60 mins in a hr , 87600*60=5,256,000
Are you counting the number of minutes in 10 years or counting
terrorist acts in a year? Hahahahahahahahahaha. Your hindu IQ is
amazing! My suggestion is to count the number of "atankwad" activities
in a month just like the stats I quote count the number of rapes/
molestations in India instead of the number of minutes in 5-10 years.
Hahahahahaha. Where'd you come up with that Pansy? Using your own low
IQ logic, did you count the number of rapes/ molestations in India over
hinduisms 5000 year old history?
beta u have extremely low IQ, go to a school for retards learn some other skill.
Measuring time instead of counting the number of terrorist activities
surely gives an indication of who has lower IQ. Third grade for you
Pansy!!!!
Panzer
2005-11-08 07:45:15 UTC
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Hahahaha. Pinched your ass with that post didn't I?
I replied to hindu_dalit and not u. So that means u are hindu_dalit
well u arent as smart as you think u are.

by the way I was saying that those statistics only speak of an average
no of crimes takin place over a frame of time. And i was counting
minutes just to show that they mean nothing as such. Well ur IQ being
so low, u cant read between the lines.
striped_mule
2005-11-08 09:34:43 UTC
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Post by Panzer
hindu_dalit
Read the address carefully....its:

***@hotmail.com

drut is turd spelled backwards. I use that address ocasionally.
:P

BTW, statistics are horrible. If 24 women were knobbed in India in 24
hours, then, that would amount to an average of a knobbing (termed rape
by the victim) an hour or 1 rape every hour. There's no way that you
can run from the stats.

Same goes for 26 molestations a minute
t***@yahoo.com
2005-11-05 20:11:33 UTC
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You should know the definition of varnas. They are not by birth even
according to Manu!

When you study Manu please remember that according to him, it is
discipline which is important. Those who follow discipline should be
respected

Rig Veda 10:90:12. which you quote is often mentioned. In fact as per
scriptures all creation comes from God,. This verse mentions all humans
as coming form God, there are others which mention all varnas are there
in His stomach! The implication is all are sacred and all have their
duties and functions

Most importantly you do not understand the definition of varnas. It is
not by birth.


The problem with all this is you dont understand what The Supreme Lord
said. It needs careful study. No where in Gita or any Hindu scripture
is it advocated that caste is important. Caste ( jathi) is based on
birth. What is said is varna. Varna is by temperament and work. There
is no word for varna in English and caste is substituted. The Supreme
Lord Krishna who came Himself in Person as a Human to teach us, clearly
enunciated what is required elaborately.

There is no similar event in the history of mankind when the Lord came
as a human to mix with us and teach us as in Hindu scriptures. The rest
talk of guesses about God but God *never came anywhere else*. Jesus
said he was not god. Mohammad only said he heard the voice form an
angel and not from God at all. God never came there. It is all
presumption

Swabhava is ones temperament. It is not not *by birth* but *at birth*
what is found. Ch 4-13 clearly says guna and karma never janma!!

In fact no where in any Hindu scripture does it say birth alone is the
qualification. In fact such thought is condemned and discipline is
always supported( as in vajra sucika upanisad). Saints who came from so
called untouchable castes are worshipped even today in temples.
Chokamela, Tukaram, Kanakadasa, aazhvars, nayanmaars and many others
are examples.

That being said caste is by birth. Caste is a purely social
institution. It came for reasons of identity, custom, occupation etc.
Caste is not wrong at all. In fact it offers advantages in fostering
cohesion, learning, custom etc. The problem is when castes follow such
diverse ways as robbery as their work(!), or prostitution and then at
the other end complete devotion! Such diversity leads to alienation and
untouchability. One caste eats dead animals and rats and another is
vegetarian! How can they mix?!

All said, caste is a social thing like football teams and varna is
different. It takes careful study amidst foreign/British/xtian/muslims
mischief to see the difference

Gita is uncomparable to koran or bible both of which are just nonsense.
r***@yahoo.com
2005-11-05 21:13:26 UTC
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You should know the definition of varnas. They are not by birth even
according to Manu!
Manu doesn't define varnas; he describes them (as they were in his
time). According to his descriptions, people don't change varnas.
Brahmanas can sink to the level of Kshudras but they don't become
Kshudras.
t***@yahoo.com
2005-11-06 19:34:26 UTC
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Post by t***@yahoo.com
You should know the definition of varnas. They are not by birth even
according to Manu!
Manu doesn't define varnas; he describes them (as they were in his
time). According to his descriptions, people don't change varnas.
Brahmanas can sink to the level of Kshudras but they don't become
Kshudras.
Manu defines brahmanas all the time. The gist is 1) a brahmana has to
be intitated like all dwijas. Those who dont want initiation are
sudras. See 2-27 to 2-39
2) apart from intiation, the daily practice, pujas and karmas are
important. See 2-103
Also see 2-87 as to who a real brahmana is: not one who just says
prayers.
See how sudras and any one can have respect like a brahmana in 2-137
What happens to a brahmana if he does not study: 2-168

Who is a brahmana?: see 3-186

Who can be taught vedas? see: 2-109

Please the whole of Manu properly. There are more
r***@yahoo.com
2005-11-06 22:17:00 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.com
Post by t***@yahoo.com
You should know the definition of varnas. They are not by birth even
according to Manu!
Manu doesn't define varnas; he describes them (as they were in his
time). According to his descriptions, people don't change varnas.
Brahmanas can sink to the level of Kshudras but they don't become
Kshudras.
Manu defines brahmanas all the time. The gist is 1) a brahmana has to
be intitated like all dwijas. Those who dont want initiation are
sudras. See 2-27 to 2-39
2) apart from intiation, the daily practice, pujas and karmas are
important. See 2-103
After having been initiated and performed the appropriate pujas and
karmas, how can a brahmana become a kshudra, according to Manu?
Post by t***@yahoo.com
Also see 2-87 as to who a real brahmana is: not one who just says
prayers.
See how sudras and any one can have respect like a brahmana in 2-137
What happens to a brahmana if he does not study: 2-168
Who is a brahmana?: see 3-186
Who can be taught vedas? see: 2-109
Please the whole of Manu properly. There are more
t***@yahoo.com
2005-11-06 23:59:17 UTC
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After having been initiated and performed the appropriate pujas and
karmas, how can a brahmana become a kshudra, according to Manu?
How can a lawyer or doctor lose their status to practice and be thrown
out of the licensing body? One should remember that Hinduism is not
essentially about beliefs but all eastern religions are essentially
about practice and not mere words or belief, but it has to translate
into real conduct. The common mistake is to compare the eastern
religions with systems from the west which consider belief as
redemptive basically.
r***@yahoo.com
2005-11-07 12:12:29 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.com
After having been initiated and performed the appropriate pujas and
karmas, how can a brahmana become a kshudra, according to Manu?
How can a lawyer or doctor lose their status to practice and be thrown
out of the licensing body?
Ah, so Manu doesn't say a Brahmana can become a Kshudra! How can a
Kshudra's child become a Brahmana, according to Manu?
Post by t***@yahoo.com
One should remember that Hinduism is not
essentially about beliefs but all eastern religions are essentially
about practice and not mere words or belief, but it has to translate
into real conduct. The common mistake is to compare the eastern
religions with systems from the west which consider belief as
redemptive basically.
So, belief doesn't come into the picture, according to Manu? How can a
person with good conduct, who belives the Vedas are bullshit, become a
Brahmana (according to Manu)?
t***@yahoo.com
2005-11-07 12:38:00 UTC
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Ah, so Manu doesn't say a Brahmana can become a Kshudra! How can a
Kshudra's child become a Brahmana, according to Manu?
Manu says abrahmana can become a sudra, that is what I pointed out!

I alos pointed out how any one can learn vedas and by knowing the
meaning and living properly he can be a brahmana. I pointed out all
that already, please see what I quoted before
Post by r***@yahoo.com
So, belief doesn't come into the picture, according to Manu? How can a
person with good conduct, who belives the Vedas are bullshit, become a
Brahmana (according to Manu)?
If one believes vedas are of no use, he is clearly an idiot like the
one who thinks the sun rises at night in the north. Veda is not belief
but knowledge, the very word means that!
r***@yahoo.com
2005-11-07 12:45:27 UTC
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Ah, so Manu doesn't say a Brahmana can become a Kshudra! How can a
Kshudra's child become a Brahmana, according to Manu?
Manu says a brahmana can become a sudra, that is what I pointed out!
Where does he say this?
I alos pointed out how any one can learn vedas and by knowing the
meaning and living properly he can be a brahmana. I pointed out all
that already, please see what I quoted before
Post by r***@yahoo.com
So, belief doesn't come into the picture, according to Manu? How can a
person with good conduct, who believes the Vedas are bullshit, become a
Brahmana (according to Manu)?
If one believes vedas are of no use, he is clearly an idiot like the
one who thinks the sun rises at night in the north. Veda is not belief
but knowledge, the very word means that!
How can someone who has extensive knowledge of the Vedas, and finds
them to be bullshit, become a Brahmana?
r***@yahoo.com
2005-11-07 15:09:39 UTC
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Post by t***@yahoo.com
If one believes vedas are of no use, he is clearly an idiot like the
one who thinks the sun rises at night in the north. Veda is not belief
but knowledge, the very word means that!
A similar argument: The Bible is called "Veda Pustakam" in Malayalam.
The very expression means "Book of Knowledge". So, if one believes the
Bible is of no use, he's clearly an idiot. "Veda Pustakam" is not
belief but knowledge; the very expression means that. So, Christianity
is not based on belief.
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